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| Pookie | Sep 6 2013, 12:20 AM Post #1 |
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| Pookie | Sep 6 2013, 11:30 AM Post #16 |
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I'd have to disagree with some of what you said volt. While the broncos have a great team, I truly felt that the one non challenge call deflated the Ravens tremendously. Up until that point, the ravens were doing well. If that play was challenged, the broncos would have been punting it, and we would have seen a much more competitive match. The reason it deflated the team especially the defense is because it showed the coach didn't have faith in his "new" players. It may seem like a small thing, but when you're playing Peyton Manning, the last thing a defense needs is his offense staying on the field. By that point, I knew it was over. I don't think ravens fans should be too concerned though. Their team will need some more time to gel with the new players they have acquired. Edited by Pookie, Sep 6 2013, 04:25 PM.
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Yea, thank you that's one of the point I was trying to get off, usually last year when something like that would happen one of the motivational leaders would step up and get his teammates back on track, guys like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, and Anquan Boldin, the Ravens let them all go, without realizing they had no leaders left, and from watching last night I really wanted Suggs to step up, but he was just derping all last night. Not much of a leader tbh. The sad part is that the SB champions got derailed by one bad call. last year in the SB something similar happened with the blackout, and their Offense which was being led by Flacco got derailed also, that shows how much a puss bag Flacco really is as a QB. Their Defense led by Reed, and Lewis held off just enough to secure the win, this year with those guys gone, Baltimore is gonna be singing a whole different tune! xD |
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| Pookie | Sep 6 2013, 08:42 PM Post #18 |
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Ed Reed and Ray Lewis are irreplaceable that is for certain, but at the same time, I have to agree with what the commentators were saying yesterday. Ray Lewis was injured a lot last season. Not just that, but the defense overall looked more energetic. The main problem was that huge missed call by the Ravens. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't have challenged that. You can't give a quarterback like Peyton Manning free passes like that. It was vital for that defense to get off the field. Once that happened, it was just downhill from there. As for Flacco, I don't think he was the problem. I generally don't think the offense was the issue because they were winning by the end of the first half. I do agree with you that he does have to step up and be the leader now that a whole batch of new players have come in. The special teams on the other hand were a big problem for both teams. I've never seen so many crazy punt drops, people running into each other, etc. in one game. It was ridiculous. Edited by Pookie, Sep 6 2013, 08:43 PM.
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| Noir | Sep 6 2013, 09:49 PM Post #19 |
 
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Flacco wasn't going through his reads and the DBs were the problem. The front 7 is gonna be better than last season though. Mark my words on that. Been saying that all offseason |
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| Hurry My Curry | Sep 7 2013, 01:51 AM Post #20 |
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[/quote] Considering what the Broncos did in the 2nd half, I'd consider holding them to 14 pts pretty good. Michael Huff played well also. Sure he couldn't bring down Julius Thomas, but I'm not entirely sure who could on the Ravens D. Lol come on man, just because we didn't get sacks doesn't mean we didn't create pressure. The pocket collapsed MANY times, but Manning got the ball off in time. And why am I not surprised that you forgot to mention that the Broncos have a top notch line, so it's not like we're the only ones who struggle to get sacks against manning. The Ravens D was nothing last year. Nothing. 19th ranked in the regular season. They were not good. They have nowhere to go but up. And when Manning plays the game of his career, there's not much any defense can do to stop him. I really do hate the motivation argument, because Darryl Smtih (MLB) played way way way better last night than Ray Lewis did all of last season. How come nobody talks about the Bears losing Urlacher or the Colts losing Freeney or the Packers losing Greg Jennings? No, it's only the Ravens who have no leadership or motivation now that they lost a future hall of famer.
If you watched the game closely, you'd notice that our receivers dropped everything in the 2nd half. Everything. Not Flacco's fault. Again if you watched the game closely, Smith had one catch where he burned the defender down field. The rest of his yards and catches were not just running down field. 4 receptions for 92 yards with only one streak.
Aldon = Total one trick pony, and no good without Justin Smith. JPP's pure talent matches Von's, but he didn't have a great 2012, nowhere near Von's. Ware = one trick pony, not great against the run or in coverage. Clay = good against the run and good pass rusher, not great in coverage. Aldon = Great pass rusher, great in coverage, and great against the run. Please don't be biased for the 49ers players. Edit - and lets be honest, Aldon Smith relies on his physical attributes and Justin Smith far more than Von does. Von is the broncos defense. The 49ers would still be a top notch defense without Aldon.
I never said he was as good as Graham, Physically he is every bit as gifted as Jimmy Graham. The only difference is that he is black (not racist, just true). Thomas is such a matchup nightmare, you'd have to be exceptionally gifted in your secondary to cover him adequately. I don't believe any team could fully control him. Again, look above for what I said about pressure. And I'd appreciate if you didn't treat me like I was stupid, it's rather irritating when you act like a know it all and treat the 49ers like gods. Edited by Hurry My Curry, Sep 7 2013, 01:59 AM.
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Sep 7 2013, 05:57 AM Post #21 |
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@HurryMyCurry  Are you serious, unless you get your hands on Peyton nothing you do will distraught him, that and sever pressure up the middle, which wasn't happening I said it once and I'll say it again Ngata was nothing more than a run stuffer that night, couldn't create pressure up the middle if his children's life depended on it. Also Peyton makes up in quick release in what he loses in arm strength. Aside from Ryan Clady, the rest of their O-line is average, and below average when it comes to run blocking, if their O-line can even get a smudge better M. Ball will rush for 1,000+ yards easy. and ranked 2nd in the post season don't ever forget to mention that, and the reason for that was Ed Reed, and Ray Lewis's leadership which their clearly missing now. Manning had the game of his life, cuz there was next to no pressure, and it didn't help that he played against what seemed like a High School secondary lol, 7 TD, and all of them the DB's were getting burned and missing tackles left and right! Its a team game when it comes to the defense, back in the dark era the only gem in the Niners defense was Patrick Willis but our secondary sucked donkey nuts, therefore the Niners defense got destroyed all the time, until others came in and solidified it.  Freeny, was getting up in years and lost a lot of athleticism, and that prevented him for being effective, Urlachar was a shell of what he once was, and to injury prone, Everyone was talking about Greg Jennings leaving for the Vikings, where were you at? If you watch closely, the placement of almost every ball Flacco threw was complete s*** after 15 yards, it shows the huge grey area Flacco has throwing those intermediate passes, really inaccurate when it comes to that. Even tho most of those balls were thrown inaccurately the receivers still had more than good chance to bring those balls in, instead they drop' em like its hot! Terrible hands by your backup WR's. Any average possession receiver can bring in 3 passes for 10-15 yards any day, all day. The difference is if you claim to brand Smith as a 1 receiver he better turn those short yardage catches into victory dances, among the likes of Megatron, Aj Green, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitz can. T. Smith is nowhere near them... Yet. Do you even NFL, kid? Before Aldon tore a muscle in his shoulder he was BEASTING, eating O-lineman alive, If you even take 5 minutes to do a little research and look back at some games, you'd see that he is far from a 1 trick pony, He got sacks through inside rip/swim moves, cross fire moves, strenght to create dominant bull rushes, and outside speed rushes and so on, having Justin Smith next to him only made it better. Towards the end of the regular season Aldon tore a muscle in his shoulder and played through it, but it was obvious he wasn't 100% and having Justin Smith sitting with an injury let other teams double team Aldon and make him ineffective, like what the Broncos did to Suggs last night. And even with a bum shoulder Aldon played through it like he did in Missouri with a broken leg, he still got a ton of rushes, but wasn't 100% to take get the sack. JPP and Von's game is COMPLETELY different, JPP along with Aldon have the potential to go down in NFL history as the best to do it, JPP pretty much has everything that Aldon does, pretty much clones. Von's only attribute is his speed, the only really great move he has is the outside speed rush, and a killer spin move he uses on the slower lineman, if a team can game plan to stop the outside speed rush against Von then he's fu**ked. D. Ware was, and is a beast, a great overall skill set, the only problem is that unlike JPP and Aldon he has no help like JPP and Aldon have Justin and Tuck, whereas Ware has no one but himself. Clay Mathews is special to me cuz he is Von like when it come to speed, but he has something that Von lacks in strength to create a dominant bull rush. I'm not biased go ask any knowledgeable fan or turn on ESPN, they'll tell you what I did JPP and Aldon are on a whole other level. You compared him to Graham, which is pretty ballsy knowing he played against what seems like a JV secondary, Julias Thomas doesn't have the great speed and hands that Graham has, from the TD's I saw he has good speed, not blazing, and he did drop a few balls which is suspect to me. Still great potential can't wait to see him against a good defense. I'm just calling how I see it, I commented based on facts and from what I saw. nothing I said you can even argue against. Edited by Volt the Mean, Sep 7 2013, 07:40 AM.
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| Hurry My Curry | Sep 7 2013, 08:21 AM Post #22 |
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I really do hate little pricks that think they know it all.
Just because you or I can't name anyone else does not mean the line is average. Do you think an average o line is gonna help the guy with 3 neck surgeries succeed?
That's not saying much when pathetic defenses like the Colts, Patriots, Packers, Falcons, and Redskins, and even the Broncos fizzled out were involved in the playoffs. The 49ers and the Hawks were the only respectable defenses in the playoffs.
You ignore everything I say, and expect to be taken serious. We collapsed the pocket, collapsed, anywhere Manning steps, he's gonna trip. Manning is just that good. And while were on the topic of high school secondaries, remind me to have my old high school team go against the 49ers secondary some time 
Secondary still sucks really, but that's for a different topic. Anyway that's irrelevant, I'm not a 49ers fan, I don't have anything to say about that.
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aww you whipper snapper, you! I actually payed attention to them last year since my cousin is an avid Broncos fan, their O'line shifted/shuffled around due to injury. No one stood out, they do a good job at pass protection well just enough to let Peyton pass the ball. I looked back at the game, since I had it dvr'd and most of the game Peyton was up right, callapsed the pocket? Oh yea you mean that thing OLB's get paid to do, yea that, they did but because of Peytons quick release they didn't even touch him most of the time, Ngata can't get push for shii***t. You really only burned our DB's once with that long TD to J. Jones, the rest were respectable TD's, props out to the Ravens tho Nice job!LOL the only Niner DB that got burned badly was the 2nd year rookie Chris Culliver who messed up on the coverage, Dashon made the pro bowl 2 straight years along with C. Rodgers, and T. Brown has been looking beastly the past two seasons. Just wait ti'll you get to see this Eric Reed kid out of LSU the niners drafted... ![:=]:](http://b1.ifrm.com/1500/25/0/e1137/e1137.gif) Tbh the Niners secondary isn't too shabby if I must say so myself. Certaintly better than that pile of shii**t the Ravens threw out there  Lewis single handed gave you guys three years worth of momentum and motivation to get you guys to the SB, honestly if Ray wouldn't have done his leadership duties you guys would have fallen flat against the Broncos that night. As a Ravens fan you should be thankful that Ray Lewis fueled you guys enough to win the SB! sheesh ungrateful kids these days! yes, that was a mix of Flacco's inaccuracy and stone hands by your poor backup WR's. First of all I DVR most of the Niner games since I got work and all, I watch the games and some parts more than once, And yes when healthy Aldon is a sack artist, the best, well him and JPP are, Von pass rushing wise is just a notch lower, and what are we talking about, throughput my entire argument I was talking about pass rushing you know that's what OLB's do! And Aldon does that, he also plays the run amazingly well, and he's shown he's good enough to cover RB's/TE's fairly easy too, tbh I could give a fu**k less if Aldon could play coverage or not, the way he's gonna impact the game is through his pass rush ability's. Besides the Niners have P. Willis and Bowman to take care of the coverage duties. And just so you know Aldon played only half the snaps Von Miller played in both last seasons, talk about impact. Yes Von can play coverage, why? cuz he's fast, duh, bro you do realize once Miller loses some speed hes back to being an average OLB?! that's something I don't have to worry about with Aldon. Umm you forgot to add the part were they play the Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers each twice a year those teams have terrible O-lines anyone could tell you that, hell Aldon would get 40 sacks a year if he played in hat sh**itty division. lol those articles that you are talking about just came out this morning, I posted my summary minutes before the game ended, you can go back and check, and I've pretty much watched the game twice already on my DVR, and do I watch ESPN? Hell yea why not? its good entertainment you dummy  Bitter? well yea, but I do respect the Ravens after they beat the Niners lol who wouldn't feel even a tad bit bitter? Attack? lol, dude I commented on your crazy remarks you made after the game, I was respectable, I never called you a bi**ch or insulted you, well except in these last two posts, but lets be honest your responses to my posts seem weak as he*ll. Edited by Volt the Mean, Sep 7 2013, 09:28 AM.
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| Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro | Sep 7 2013, 02:11 PM Post #24 |
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Peyton was a monster. My scouter read he had a power level of 12,000 |
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| Noir | Sep 7 2013, 03:51 PM Post #25 |
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Denver actually has one of the better o-lines in the league. No glaring weaknesses, Clady is top notch, Louis Vazquez is good, and Zane Beadles/Orlando Franklin are above average |
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| Hurry My Curry | Sep 7 2013, 11:36 PM Post #26 |
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When you realize that they were a team that gave up the fewest sacks last year, yes, they do have a good o-line.
Look back at again, because half the time it wasn't Suggs or Dumervil collapsing the pocket. Canty and Ngata both created interior pressure even if they didn't get the sack.
Seems someone forgot bout Julio Jones lighting up the 49ers secondary and even though the 49ers beat the Packers pretty easily, they still put up 31 points.
One game does not define a secondary. While the Ravens did not burn the 49ers secondary, the Falcons and Packers both thoroughly embarrassed the 49ers secondary. This right here just proves how much you really watch NFL and ESPN. Pro Bowls don't mean anything. Dashon Goldson is a safety who can't cover at all. His highlight reels and hits give him popularity and pro bowl nods. Same thing for Rodgers. His actual game tape is far far inferior to Tarell Brown. Rogers not only doesn't deserve his contract and doesn't deserve his pro bowl nods either. I'll give you Tarell Brown, because he is good. Reid is a rookie, it's gonna take him some time to adjust to the game. That "s***ty Ravens secondary" was still enough to win a sb. Can't say the same for the 49ers yet, now can you?
Dog what on earth are you talking about? You're talking completely out of your a*** right now. 3 years worth of motivation? Were you in the huddle for his speech? I'd rather have a guy that can play the run and be flexible in coverage (Darryl Smith) then a guy who can't do either but "inspire" teammates. I am thankful for everything Ray Lewis did, but it would be ignorant for me to say that he was actually doing well last year because he wasn't. Silly ignorant kids that only watch ESPN these days!
So what if Von relies on his speed? That don't mean jacks*** towards the argument of him being the best OLB. He got nearly the same amount of sacks, he's better against the run, and he's good in coverage. Better than Aldon in every aspect except pass rushing. Von is better right now, get over it, homer.
Umm you forgot to mention that Aldon had 5 sacks against a s***ty Bears line, played against the Cardinals twice, Packers, jets, and Bills. If Von played against them, he could have had 40 sacks against that s***ty teams
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| Sam | Sep 8 2013, 01:06 AM Post #27 |
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Lmao. I picked up Julius Thomas two weeks before week one. Wanna know why? I am great at this. I have picked up every major sleeper in every league I have been in since I started playing. Welker and Thomas went crazy. And Peyton was godmode. |
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pretty much what I said, they are a good pass protection O'line and having Peyton's quick release just further helps out. If you think that is enough to make Peyton think twice then your way off, a way to make Peyton uneasy is to have sever pressure up the middle not that push that Ngata is pulling off, really sad to see such a drop off now, in past years he'd dominate. Ehh one game against Arron Rodgers, and the next game against a top 10 if not top 5 QB in Matt Ryan, if they didn't score it would have been disappointing. I see your point tho...
Packers: Arron Rodgers didn't throw a TD until the end of the second quarter, and his last and final TD in the last minute of the 4th quarter, the game was already over, so pretty much the niners held Arron Rodgers( The Best QB in the NFL) to ONE TD when it really mattered, the last one I don't count since it was in garbage time, and the Niners had their 3rd stringers out...  Flacons: Yea the Niners secondary started out sluggish and got burned twice in the 1st Q by Julio Jones, who lets face it is a top 5 receiver so no surprise there that he took advantage, after the first Q, Matt Ryan only threw one more TD to Gonzales after that the Falcons were completely shut down by the Niners D... My statement above show how much bullsh**it you blurted out of your mouth to try and make a point lol, I just completely dissected your little argument lol.   ... lol on his first Pro Bowl ballet Dashon was completely feasting on the top tier WR's in two straight meeting with the Cardinals (back when they had Kurt Warner and made it to the SB) Dashon completely shut down Larry Fitzgerald, and was near the top of the league in int's, Goldson isn't even with the Niners anymore, he just signed a monster contract with the Bucs, so lets not discuss him anymore shall we. I was obvioulsy reffering to the current Ravens HS secondary, lol you dummy If it wasn't for Ray Lewis lighting a fire underneath the Ravens then, I'm almost 100% they would have fallen flat in the Broncos game last year, god knows Flacco isn't a natural leader, the guy is a major dupe nothing but an overrated, overpriced statue. Every team needs a leader to bring them back from deficits and clearly the Ravens have lost what seems to be the greatest motivational leader of all time, if you think leaders aren't needed than look no further than to last Fridays game, after that bad call Flacco turned into a lil bi**ch and couldn't make reads under all the pressure to lead his team back...  ... I just beat, destroyed, dismantled every single argument you bestowed against me, and as I've told you before I DVR, my games and watch them after work, and replay most, I just watch ESPN for entertainment. How about you pick a different subject that can actually hold a tad bit of ground against my arguments, than that sad little 6th grade excuse of an argument "Ha! You watch ESPN, so your not a true fan!" Don't come up with these half as**sed arguments against me anymore, kid. Spoiler: click to toggle Come hard, or don't even bother homie.Yes it does, almost everything the second a team game plans to stop his speed rush, Von is done, he can't rush inside he's mostly an outside speed rusher, Aldon plays both inside and outside at high levels, thus making him more valuable as a pass rusher. Do you even know about defenses? The Broncos play a completely different style of D than the Niners do, the Broncos play a 4-3 defense which means the outside backer in this case Von, has to do coverage, and play to stop the run also, which is why there is more footage of him doing that, and makes him seem like the god that your riding so hard, get off that pony Aldon plays on a 3-4 leaving the coverage and run blocking plays to the ILB's, pretty much Aldon's only objective is to rush the passer, and create severe pressure, that is something Von doesn't do so proficiently he is either gonna hit with his speed or run right passed the QB, something Clay Matthews did many times against Kaep, in which Kaep rendered Clay completely USELESS!The only team in the NFC West that has a terrible O'line is Arizona, and the rest well EVERY team in the NFL has games scheduled against weak O'line teams. Unlike Von who's entire division have sub-par O'lines, thats 6 games in which are locks for Von to play well unlike Aldon's 2 against Arizona. Casual fans wouldn't pay extra to watch ESPN, I only watch it for entertainment in which I've stated several times, yet it doesn't seem to translate to you. You and your KAWAII debating skills. That reminds me I want a puppy Pug really bad might get one soon!  Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Sam | Sep 8 2013, 06:17 AM Post #29 |
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I'm closing this topic. This is getting out of hand and those of you responsible for throwing insults and flaming have been warned. Stay civil, and stop being f***ing children. |
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